She says to Harry, “Joe still got that Peggy-woman living with him?”

I don’t know who Peggy is, so I ask.

“Don’t you mind Peggy?” Harry says reproachfully. And to Irlma, “You bet he has.”

Harry used to work for us when my father had the fox farm and I was a little girl. He gave me licorice whips, out of the fuzzy depths of his pockets, and tried to teach me how to drive the truck and tickled me up to the elastic of my bloomers.

“Peggy Goring?” he says. “Her and her brothers used to live up by the tracks this side of the Canada Packers? Part Indian. Hugh and Bud Goring. Hugh used to work at the creamery?”

“Bud was the caretaker at the Town Hall,” my father puts in.

“You mind them now?” says Irlma with a slight sharpness. Forgetting local names and facts can be seen as deliberate, unmannerly.

I say that I do, though I don’t, really.

“Hugh went off and he never come back,” she says. “So Bud shut the house up. He just lives in the one back room of it. He’s got the pension now but he’s too cheap to heat the whole house all the same.”

“Got a little queer,” my father says. “Like the rest of us.”

“So Peggy?” says Harry, who knows and always has known every story, rumor, disgrace, and possible paternity within many miles. “Peggy used to be going around with Joe? Years back. But then she took off and got married to somebody else and was living up north. Then after a while Joe took off up there too and he was living with her but they got into some big kind of a fight and he went away out west.” He laughs as he has always done, silently, with a great private derision that seems to be held inside him, shuddering through his chest and his shoulders.

“That’s the way they did,” says Irlma. “That’s the way they carried on.”

“So then Peggy went out west chasing after him,” Harry resumes, “and they ended up living together out there and it seems like he was beating up on her pretty bad so finally she got on the train and come back here. Beat her up so bad before she got on the train they thought they’d have to stop and put her in a hospital.”

“I’d like to see that,” Irlma says. “I’d like to see a man try that on me.”

“Yeah, well,” says Harry. “But she must’ve got some money or she made Bud pay her a share on the house because she bought herself the trailer. Maybe she thought she was going to travel. But Joe showed up again and they moved the trailer out to the river and went and got married. Her other husband must’ve died.”

“Married is what they say,” says Irlma.

“I don’t know,” says Harry. “They say he still thumps her good when he takes the notion.”

“Anybody tried that on me,” Irlma says, “I’d let him have it. I’d let him have it in the you-know-where.”

“Now now,” says my father, in mock consternation.

“Her being part Indian might have something to do with it,” Harry says. “They say the Indians thump their women every once in a while and it makes them love ’em better.”

I feel obliged to say, “Oh, that’s just the way people talk about Indians,” and Irlma-immediately sniffing out some high-mindedness or superiority-says that what people say about the Indians has a lot of truth to it, never mind.

“Well, this conversation is way too stimulating for an old chap like me,” says my father. “I think I’ll go and lie down for a while upstairs.”

“He’s not himself,” Irlma says, after we have listened to my father’s slow steps on the stairs. “He’s been feeling tough two or three days now.”

“Has he?” I say, guilty that I haven’t noticed. He has seemed to me the way he always seems now when a visit brings Irlma and me together-just a bit shaky and apprehensive, as if he had to be on guard, as if it took some energy explaining and defending us, one to the other.

“He don’t feel right,” Irlma says. “I can tell.”

She turns to Harry, who has put on his outdoor jacket.

“Just tell me something before you go out that door,” she says, getting between him and the door to block his way. “Tell me-how much string does it take to tie up a woman?”

Harry pretends to consider. “Big woman or little woman, would that be?”

“Any size woman at all.”

“Oh, I couldn’t tell you. Couldn’t say.”

“Two balls and six inches,” cries Irlma, and some far gurgles reach us, from Harry’s subterranean enjoyment.

“Irlma, you’re a Tartar.”

“I am so. I’m an old Tartar. I am so.”

I go along in the car with my father, to take the potatoes to Joe Thorns.

“You aren’t feeling well?”

“Not the very best.”

“’How aren’t you feeling well?”

“I don’t know. Can’t sleep. I wouldn’t be surprised if I’ve got the flu.”

“Are you going to call the doctor?”

“If I don’t get better I’ll call him. Call him now I’d just be wasting his time.”

Joe Thorns, a man about ten years older than I am, is alarmingly frail and shaky, with long stringy arms, an unshaven, ruined, handsome face, grayed-over eyes. I can’t see how he could manage to thump anybody. He gropes to meet us and take the sack of potatoes, urges us inside the smoky trailer.

“I mean to pay you for these here,” he says. “Just tell me what they’re worth?”

My father says, “Now now.”

An enormous woman stands at the stove, stirring something in a pot.

My father says, “Peggy, this is my daughter. Smells good, whatever you got there.”

She doesn’t respond, and Joe Thorns says, “It’s just a rabbit we got give for a present. No use to talk to her, she’s got her deaf ear to you. She’s deaf and I’m blind. Isn’t that the devil? It’s just a rabbit but we don’t mind rabbit. Rabbit’s a clean feeder.”

I see now that the woman is not so enormous all over. The upper part of the arm next to us is out of proportion to the rest of her body, swollen like a puffball. The sleeve has been ripped out of her dress, leaving the armhole frayed, threads dangling, and the great swelling of flesh exposed and gleaming in the smoke and shadow of the trailer.

My father says, “It can be pretty good all right, rabbit.”

“Sorry not to offer you a shot,” Joe says. “But we don’t have it in the house. We don’t drink no more.”

“I’m not feeling up to it either, to tell you the truth.”

“Nothing in the house since we joined the Tabernacle. Peggy and me both. You hear we joined up?”

“No, Joe. I didn’t hear about that.”

“We did. And it’s a comfort to us.”

“Well.”

“I realize now I spent a lot of my life in the wrong way. Peggy, she realizes it too.”

My father says, “H’m-h’m.”

“I say to myself it’s no wonder the Lord struck me blind. He struck me blind but I see his purpose in it. I see the Lord’s purpose. We have not had a drop of liquor in the place since the first of July weekend. That was the last time. First of July.”

He sticks his face close to my father’s.

“You see the Lord’s purpose?”

“Oh Joe,” says my father with a sigh. “Joe, I think all that’s a lot of hogwash.”

I am surprised at this, because my father is usually a man of great diplomacy, of kind evasions. He has always spoken to me, almost warningly, about the need to fit in, not to rile people.

Joe Thorns is even more surprised than I am.

“You don’t mean to say that. You don’t mean it. You don’t know what you’re saying.”

“Yes I do.”

“Well you should read your Bible. You should see what all it says in rhe Bible.”

My father slaps his hands nervously or impatiently on his knees.

“A person can agree or disagree with the Bible, Joe. The Bible is just a book like any other book.”

“It’s a sin to say that. The Lord wrote the Bible and He planned and created the world and every one of us here.”

More hand slapping. “I don’t know about that, Joe. I don’t know. Come to planning the world, who says it has to’ve been planned at all?”